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Geschrieben von obaobaboss am 25.03.2013 um 09:45:

Hochelfen

Dann mach ich mal für mich und den Storm hier auch einen Thread auf. Immerhin habe ich heute wieder etwas gefunden, dass für mich ziemlich wahrscheinlich klingt:

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Hi there.

Indeed, in spanish forums people are discussing a huge pack of rumors since a couple of weeks ago. Belannaer may return. There will be new model to Imrik in a huge dragon (Caledor Dragon?), according to rumors.

Hastings' flying chariot do exist, but may not be pulled by eagles.

There will be a shrine/anvil (similar tu lumynarch/hurricanum) of two known elven gods. Some buffs could be magical attacks/flaming attacks/ASF.

Dragon MC will be modelled taking Thaindon's dragon as inspiration (that elf dragon rider from the 3rd edition). Like current HE plastic dragon (which takes inspiration from a very old GW dragon).

Do not expect to see spears/LSG core units in may. The rumor holds truth, but that belongs to a further miniature wave. "Silver boys" coming later on too.

ASF will be lost as rule armywide (Harry said that alredy). This would mean a slight point decrease on miniatures.

A less likely rumor talks that there will be a "Caledor dragon", apart from current dragons.

SMs may have a path-choice attacks (+1 to hit/KB/ward save...), lions being slightly more focused in monster-killing; lion pelt would protect also in CC.

Apparently there will be new miniatures for Teclis and another "plastic mage (Belannaer we hope)".

Plus: intrigues at court coming back (maybe different from 6ed), no valor of ages (probably changed into a new rule). There will be a new racial rule shared by all elves (we are discussing if this could be something related to elven swiftness).

There will be more core units (probably four or five slots), and more rare slots (probably three to five slots).

Cruddace was not the HE designer, and a team would be working in all three elven races at once.

Remember, all this are just rumors. Source wants to be anonyme.

Der erwähnte Thaindon, an dem sich die Drachenkav orientieren sol:

Belannaer ist das Oberhaupt der Schwertmeister, für die Interessierten.

Geschrieben von Fantast am 25.03.2013 um 09:53:

Klingt alles ziemlich gut, finde ich, vor allem auf die neue Elfensonderregel bin ich gespannt.

Geschrieben von surly am 25.03.2013 um 09:56:

Ohh, monstr. Kav ... tun wir alle mal ganz überrascht großes Grinsen

Geschrieben von Stormgarde am 25.03.2013 um 10:01:

Hahahahhahahahaha Drachenreiter!

Kein ASF mehr, mimimi

Geschrieben von the_shining am 25.03.2013 um 10:02:

Bin schon sehr gespannt auf die Jungs smile

Geschrieben von Fantast am 25.03.2013 um 10:05:

Zitat:

Original von Stormgarde
Kein ASF mehr, mimimi

Gottseidank, war immer extrem nervig.

Geschrieben von Stormgarde am 25.03.2013 um 10:33:

das war die einzige Lebensversicherung von Nahkampfinfanterie mit Zweihandwaffem, mit W3 und sogut wie keiner Rüstung smile

Geschrieben von Fantast am 25.03.2013 um 11:07:

Des stimmt allerdings... Der Schrein mit ASF Buff scheint ja direkt Pflicht zu werden.

Geschrieben von Stormgarde am 25.03.2013 um 11:12:

Wenn das dann aber ein gebundener wird, kann mans eh vergessen.

Wenns so wie das Orkanium in 6" ist, knallt ihn dir sicher jeder ab smile

Aber besser wie ein Zauber wärs.

Geschrieben von Fantast am 25.03.2013 um 11:37:

Ja leider scheint sowieso der Trend in Richtung gebundener Sprüche zu gehen, fürcht mich schon davon, wie der Kessel im nächsten Armeebuch wird.

Geschrieben von obaobaboss am 25.03.2013 um 12:21:

Ach, diesen Trend erkenne ich nicht wirklich. Donnerhorn, Spinnenschrein, Mortisschrein, Orcanium und Luminarium, Kriegsschrein, Blutthron... die haben alle allgemein gültige Effekte und manchmal halt einen gebundenen als Bonus.

Geschrieben von Schmendrik am 25.03.2013 um 12:26:

Klingt saugeil!!!!!!! + Armee mit lauter drachen. Die werd ich mir kaufen!

Geschrieben von obaobaboss am 27.03.2013 um 22:09:

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I won't say how I know but I can say that the next army book will be High Elves.

They have a number of new things.

Flying Phoenix's (Frost and Fire) that can drop flame templates on units they fly over. Gets abilities based on what is roled on winds of magic

Great Eagle towing chariots (Which can have bolt throwers on them)

New Highmage of Hoeth (Swordsmaster/mage) Gets every signature from all 8 lores.

Everqueen

Silver Helms as Core

Martial Prowess across the board

Archer units with magical bows

Swordsmasters get a parry save vs shooting

New Shadow Warrior Models

The White Dwarf battle report is vs Ogres.

I'm not sure how many of you are interested in High Elves, but I thought I'd share what I know.

Das mit den Winds of Magic-Einfluss auf die Phönixe ist nach den Dämonenarmeebuch recht plausibel. Der neue Hoeth-Magier klingt ja interessant. Die Grundsprüche sind ja nicht unbedingt die Schlechtesten der Lehren und man hätte viel Auswahl.

Das Parieren der Schwertmeister klingt auch nett, wobei ich mir da vorstellen kann, dass es gegen eine gewisse Stärke nicht mehr möglich ist.

Schattenkrieger mit magischen Bögen?

Der Riesenadlerstreitwagen hat jetzt auch noch eine Schleuder oben? Irgendwann wirds so verrückt, dass es wieder cool ist ^^

Silberhelme Kern, freu ich mich schon darauf!

Geschrieben von Stormgarde am 28.03.2013 um 07:01:

Wird vielleicht wieder ne Kavarmee.

Geschrieben von surly am 28.03.2013 um 07:08:

Klingt ja recht cool bis dato Baby

Geschrieben von obaobaboss am 28.03.2013 um 11:04:

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GENERAL SPECIAL RULES:
-NO ASF or Valor as we know it today.
-Elven Dexterity: units with this rule can use parry save when wielding any weapon, even if mounted (some units may use it against shooting or even if mounted).
-Special rule for rolling an additional dice on chase an remove the lowest result (or four dice removing two lowest dices to swift stride).
-IaC: more than ******** around, there are chances that the general may somehow help, dependin on region/power chosen it benefits some units.

SPECIAL RULES ON WEAPONRY:
-Elven Weapons: no penalties on two-handed or moving&shooting (there may exist extra bonus on elite units). (Translator says: in the beginning I thought of SW, but maybe maidens are also here).
-Ithilmar armor: no penalties when moving, +1AS on heavy armor (only on elite units).
-Dragon Armor: 3+ armor save against flaming attacks.
-Lion Pelt: Can also be used in CC.

MAGIC SPECIAL RULES:
-Elven Mages: +1 to dispel and can repeat channelings.
-High Magic: More powerful spells and representing the 8 lores of magic. It is said that there is one that gives life back to a dead character and other one specific against Chaos and "Bad" armies. They will be the most powerful sorcerers until Lizards get renewed after summer. Some rules will be shared with them.

SPECIFIC RULES ON UNITS:
-Martial Prowess: Elves fight and shoot with a extra rank (not specified, but this could be armywide).
-Spears and LSG: heavy armor and shield option.
-Archers: Light Armor.
-SHs: Heavy armor. Cheaper.
-Ellyrian Reavers: Same.
-T-Chariot: Same, cheaper.
-SMs: Parry save against shooting, Swords of Hoeth, Paths fighting.
-White Lions: Lumber Axes, Stubborn, Forest Stride.
-Phoenix Guard: Know their destiny (unbreakable), Magic Resistance, Ward Save. (maybe something about flaming attacks).
-SWs: Stalkers (?), Night Warriors (?).
-DPs: Caledor Proudness, all the rest remains the same.
-Lion Chariot: Same, cheaper.
-Flying Chariot: RBT on top of it, crew with elven weapons.
-RBT: cheaper, better.
-Dragons: Will of the Dragon (mix of 5ed. rule plus communion with rider that makes them share some rules). Super Dragon (Caledor Dragon?) may be wizard too.
-Phoenix: May be consecrated to Asuryan or another God (Phoenix alone or in a shrine?)
-Fire Dragons (MC): same as dragon princes, beast mounted is better than eagle but worse than a hypogryphe. Fly, 1+AS. Rare.
-Maiden Guard: Avelorn Mirror (?), Deadly in CC (?) (Translator says: I think no one knows what they'd do. I thought they would not exist, thought this was a wishlist... Maybe it's just a unit upgrade after all...).
-Warrior-mage (different from dragon-mage): Hoeth disciplines, fighting magic (guy was convinced one of them would be Belannaer).

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Rules Units:
- Fast Losing Asuryan, units receive points down (not known how or where specifically) and new rules (specifically not know unless some) (Whiterabbit)

Units losing Speed of Asuryan will receive a points decrease, but it's unknown which units or how much of a decrease. They will also receive new rules to compensate for the loss, but it's not exactly known what the rules will be.

- Basic units increased to 4-5. Special units are more or less equally unique number and increase of 3-5. (Whiterabbit)

No clue, but hopefully this doesn't mean a variable Point Increase for Core and Special.

- Masters of the Sword: still have 2 A. Something missile, attack on the initiative with great weapon and combat forms (roads). - 1 hit, hit +1, Death Strike, Special Salvation. (It reminds me of what I did when I was blind Eltharion) (Whiterabbit)

Swordmasters have two Attacks, gain something against missile attacks, will hit at Initiative order with great weapons, and also have Mastery Paths: -1 to be Hit, +1 to Hit, Killing Blow, or (perhaps) an Increased Save.

- White Lions: an attack. Layer usable in melee, six monstrous enemies on impact wound. (Whiterabbit)

White Lions gain a Special Attack, perhaps an Impact Hit inflicting D6 Wounds. This would mesh well with the old idea of White Lions doing multiple wounds in 5th edition, as well as the Big Stabba impact hit weapon that Savage Orcs have.

- Apparently the rumored Phoenix kit: Altar / Yunque, could replace the loss of the Speed of Asuryan by the following rules based in Phoenix but humbler Mountrous Arcanum: SAP in radio, magic attacks, flaming attacks and a spell against demons . It is not known whether all at once or have to choose. (Whiterabbit)

The Phoenix functions like an Altar giving a benefit that compensates for losing Speed of Asuryan. Functions similarly to the Monstrous Arcanum rules but more simple. Unknown, Magic Attacks, Flaming Attacks, a Spell against Daemonons. It isn't clear if all these benefits are conferred at once or if you select one.

Die neue Armeesonderregel ist scheinbar immer und mit jeder Waffe parieren. Nett, aber nicht mehr.

Elfenzweihandwaffe haben nicht schlägt zuletzt zu.

Unerschütterliche Phönixgarde? Insgesamt klingt das ganze nach einem Sonderregel-Overload bei den einzelnen Einheiten, aber mal schauen. Von ASF können wir uns aber wohl verabschieden.

Unsere Drachenreiter sind besser als Riesenadler, schwächer als Hippogreifen. War ja so zu erwarten, wobei man da jetzt nicht genau weiß, welche Werte zum Vergleich rangezogen wurden.

Geschrieben von Stormgarde am 28.03.2013 um 11:30:

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SPECIAL RULES ON WEAPONRY:
-Elven Weapons: no penalties on two-handed or moving&shooting (there may exist extra bonus on elite units). (Translator says: in the beginning I thought of SW, but maybe maidens are also here).
-Ithilmar armor: no penalties when moving, +1AS on heavy armor (only on elite units).
-Dragon Armor: 3+ armor save against flaming attacks.
-Lion Pelt: Can also be used in CC.

Wenn das so kommt geh ich wixxen!

Zitat:

MAGIC SPECIAL RULES:
-Elven Mages: +1 to dispel and can repeat channelings.
-High Magic: More powerful spells and representing the 8 lores of magic. It is said that there is one that gives life back to a dead character and other one specific against Chaos and "Bad" armies. They will be the most powerful sorcerers until Lizards get renewed after summer. Some rules will be shared with them.

Trolololol

Zitat:

-Fire Dragons (MC): same as dragon princes, beast mounted is better than eagle but worse than a hypogryphe. Fly, 1+AS. Rare.

Fliegend, 1+ AS Goil!

Klingt alles sehr sehr nett, freu mich schon.

Superdrache smile