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Vlad 
Mister 1000-Dollar-Armee
  
Dabei seit: 04.10.2005
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Ich glaub die Edi wird spaßig!
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05.05.2010 16:04 |
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Stormgarde
Bürgermeister von Zirl
Dabei seit: 22.12.2005
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Streitwagen und S7 ist endlich pasé
Somit wird Khemri wieder etwas besser und die Hochelfen profitieren auch davon. Das teure Löwenauto is nun echt mal ne Alternative.
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06.05.2010 10:48 |
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morgar
Chaosritter
Dabei seit: 23.07.2005
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Khornestreitwagen 4 da win
6 S5 I5 und KG5 Attacken und nochmals 4 Attacken mit S4
vorrausgesetzt die Raserei bleicht wie sie ist.
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06.05.2010 12:53 |
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obaobaboss
Fantasy bis zum Ende V.2
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Wenn die Blöcke unnachgiebig bleiben und viele Attacken zurückprasseln macht das doch die SW eher schlechter? Der Chaos-SW hat ja immerhin W5 und 3er Rüstung... aber der Löwen?
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06.05.2010 14:00 |
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Stormgarde
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2 Löwenautos in nen W3 Block, da haut dann ned mehr so viel zurück, solange das ned 500 Mann sind.
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06.05.2010 14:02 |
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JimmyGrill
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es bleibt spannend:
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Zum Thema Angst&Entsetzten
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Fear does nothing that crude or dull, the mechanic is much more elegant and does not directly affect your chance of winning the combat or breaking the enemy. As with a lot of other 8th edition changes, the solution chosen by GW is miles better than anything dreamed up by fans.
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... Fear is changing quite a bit, but is still related to the current mechanism. All the previous rumours we've had are way off the mark and were probably just wild speculation that have been wrongly attributed some kernel of truth.
sowie zum Thema Rüstungswurf und Marschieren:
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And just to repeat what I've said before: I don't believe your armour save has any effect on whether or not you can march at all.
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As far as I know, all infantry and all cavalry can march.
EDIT: And it will even be more difficult to prevent them from marching than currently. |
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10.05.2010 12:47 |
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obaobaboss
Fantasy bis zum Ende V.2
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I am just going to spell this out how it is. People have seen printed in GW rulebooks 25% max characters and 25% lord 25% hero. I think many GW stores will be basing their demonstrations on 25% lord 25% hero. Make of that what you will.
Just so I am clear on this, as there has been some misunderstanding, you can have a lord level character leading a small army if you want to (within the points), you don't have to take a hero as you do currently. I have heard nothing about unit champions being the general
Allied Forces
* Allied forces will not get a % allocation. However, rules for using allied forced (i.e. an updated allied forces chart) are in the rulebook.
* Allies are now split into 3 groups:
Forces of Order: High Elves, Wood Elves, Lizardmen, Empire, Dwarfs and Brettonia
Forces of Destruction: Chaos of any kind, Skaven, Greenskins, Dark Elves (edit. Vampire Counts may go here).
Neutral: Ogres and Tomb Kings
* The allies rules are intended to be used by more than 2 players. You are not supposed to use more than one armybook in your army.
* Allies are allowed to use the other army General’s leadership, but cause panic in units of the other army if they are forced to flee. If an allied unit is forced to flee through another ally from a different group, the stationary unit counts as dangerous terrain. I.e. High Elves flee through Warriors of Chaos
* These numbers are increased when having games of 3000 points or more. (Up to 6 special and 4 rare). High Elves ignore these restriction
You may measure distances whenever you want.
Charging.
* An added 'bonus' of getting an 'extra' +D6 or +D3 inches of movement to your Movement range (presumably the D6 or D3 decided by the category of warrior; infantry/cavalry/ogre sized).
o Edit; rumoured to be:
Infantry M1-M6 = Basic Movement value + 2D6
Fast Attack M7+ (Cavalry and fliers) = Basic Movement value + 3D6 use 2 highest)
* +1CR for charging. -Avian (more likely)
Fliers
* Move 10 " and march 20 ". They ignore terrain whilst moving. While fleeing or pursuing, they use their ground movement. (note: the ground movement part may not be entirely correct)
Marching.
* Movement distance as normal. When there's an enemy within 8", the unit has to pass a leadership test to march. Not sure how this applies to Dwarfs.
Reforming
* Units may reform once, but may neither move nor shoot the same turn. If the unit has a musician, it may move afterwards, or shoot. (Note: I'm pretty sure I'm missing some details on that on
NOTE: The magic rumours nobody seems to agree on, so rather than try and find what exactly the truth is I will just put here most of the theories
Edit: I've sorted out the ones that seem more likely, based on the info from anonymous sources:
Generating Power and Dispel Dice
* Power dice aren’t generated by the number of spellcasters. The amount of dice is decided by 2D6. The active player gets the total as power dice and the other player the highest throw as dispel dice (throw 3+5, = 8 PD and 5 DD). (confirmed)
Channeling (confirmed that it exists)
* Each wizard may roll a D6 and generate an additional power dice on a roll of 6.
* Each enemy wizard may roll a D6 and generate an additional dispel dice on a roll of 6.
* You may not channel while fleeing, off the board or when you suffer from stupidity..
Maximum Power and Dispel Dice
* The maximum number of power or dispel dice you may have at any time is 12. This includes any power/dispel dice generated by special rules, spells and/or magic items.
Casting Spells
* To cast a spell, roll 1 to 6 Power dice and add your caster's power level. EG: A Slann casts fireball and uses 2D6. He rolls a 3 and a 4 - score of 7. He than adds his Power Level of 4, which results in a total roll of 11.
Miscasting
Here is where I think we need a lot more information.
* It is rumoured that miscasts are entirely gone, but are replaced by a combined irresistible force/ miscast table effectively:
* When you roll a double 6 the spell is cast with irresistible force, but the Caster has to roll on the "lost control" chart, which is devastating, and far more worse than the current miscast table.
Lost Control Chart
* Roll of 1: This has been confirmed as being even worse than number 4… Which (pure speculation) may involve every model in the unit taking a hit, this was something I actually heard a while back, but it could be worse than this.
Roll of 4: The wizard is sucked into the warp and the large template is centred over him. S10 hits for something (could be the centre model, meaning S5 for the rest?).
Bound spells
* Bound spells are cast like normal spells now, but instead of your caster's power level, you add the level of the magic item. (Not 100 % sure on this on
Spells are now categorized. There are: Missiles, Curses, Buffs, Direct Damage and Power Whirl spells.
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* Missiles: Require Line of Sight and may not be cast into close combat.
* Curses: Modify enemy stats and/or equipment
* Buffs: Support your own troops
* Direct damage: Spells that use templates or apply to the whole target unit.
* Power whirls: Apply to all of the battlefield or move across the table.!?
Each lore has an additional effect. For example:
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* Lore of Shadows: After the wizard successfully casts a spell, he may switch places with another friendly character of the same unit type.
* Lore of Death: For each wound caused by lore of death spells, roll a D6. On a roll of 5+ you are granted an additional power dice.
* Lore of Fire: If the enemy suffered a from a fire lore spell earlier this magic phase, the caster is granted a Bonus of +3 when casting a fire spell upon the same target.
* Lore of Metal: Direct damage spells from the lore of metal have no strength value. Instead the unmodified armour save of the target is the required roll to wound. This causes flaming attacks and ignores armour saves
True Line of sight
Units draw true line of sight. You are considered in cover when shot at through another unit, granting a -1 or -2 penalty on to hit rolls. Note that someone else has said this is more likely as well. |
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16.05.2010 15:45 |
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JimmyGrill
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@kaisa: das gabs schon in Epic. ist ganz cool eigentlich. v.a. da angriffsdistanzen eh zufällig sind und man bei schätzwaffen nicht mehr schätzen muss...
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Supportive Attacks
* Infantry models in the second rank can fight, with a maximum of 1A per model. - Avian/Harry. Great weapons can only be used in one rank. – Godless.
* This is only for models fighting to the front. Units charged in the flank or rear only fight in 1 rank, but being charged in the flank or rear will not stop units fighting in multiple ranks to the front.
* Most special rules apply as normal. however... Whatever combination of weapons/ special rules/ spells/ whatever, infantry can only ever attack with 1 attack per model.
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Rank bonuses
* Unchanged. Up to 3.
One Save.
* A model can always take an armour save. They can then take either a ward save or a regeneration save.
Hierzu ist zu sagen das Grimstone das wohl falsch vertsnaden hat. GodlessM (von dem das Gerücht stammt) sagte es ist immer nur ein Save. Entweder Rüstung ODER Rettung ODER Regeneration.
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Crush them!
* Monstrous Cavalry and Monstrous Infantry are granted 1 bonus attack with the "always strikes last" special rule, at base strength
Destroy them!
* Larger Creatures and Monsters do D6 attacks instead of 1 attack for crush them.
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Change to Wound table
* All the ‘N’ are replaced with a 6… I’m taking this one with a fair bit of salt.
Breath Weapons
* Now apply in close combat, dealing 2D6 hits with the breath weapons strength. This is in initiative order. At the moment it looks like it will be in addition to regular attacks, not instead of.
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* Great weapons Always strike last (this overrides any army book rules). May only be used in the first rank. - Godless
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Always Strike First
* ASL combined with ASF cancel each other out. Strike in initiative order.
However ASF + higher initiative than your enemy: Reroll to hit rolls. So even if Swordmasters and White Lions are striking in initiative order they may get re-rolls to hit!
Frenzy
* You still get +1 attack on the charge (front rank only). You may suppress charging with a leadership test. If you fail, you have to attack the closest target.
Magic Resistance
* This has been changed to improve an existing Ward Save, or to grant a Ward Save to magic.
Magic Resistance 1 = +1 Ward Save against Magic. For a unit without a ward save this is 6+
Magic Resistance 2 = +2 Ward Save against Magic. For a unit without a ward save this is 5+
Magic Resistance 3 = +3 Ward Save against Magic. For a unit without a ward save this is 4+
For things that already have a Ward Save, Flesh Hounds for instance, they have a 5+ Ward save already, and MR(3). This gives them a 5+ save against shooting/ combat, and a 2+ Ward Save against magic.
Regeneration
* Regeneration will come in several types. The Slanns ability for example will grant him Regeneration (3+), while there is a mundane magic item that grants regeneration (6+).
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There are rules for dangerous terrain, and for some unit types different types of terrain are treated as dangerous.
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Discredited rumours:
Armour Save Modifiers changing. They’re not. |
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Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert, zum letzten Mal von JimmyGrill: 17.05.2010 11:11.
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17.05.2010 11:10 |
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Stormgarde
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Wofür sind die Schätzwaffen die nun alles mit ihren Schablonen Treffen dann noch gut?
Skaven werden sooo dreckig, unnachgibig und immer trifft alles^^
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17.05.2010 11:27 |
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obaobaboss
Fantasy bis zum Ende V.2
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Ich seh es eher wie der Jimmy, mimimi ist erst angebracht, sobald die wir wirkliche Erfahrungen mit der neuen Edi gemacht haben 
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17.05.2010 12:04 |
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Vlad
Mister 1000-Dollar-Armee
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Original von Kaisavokina
Die Komponente Spieler verliert noch mehr an Boden..
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Juhu 
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17.05.2010 15:07 |
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Stormgarde
Bürgermeister von Zirl
Dabei seit: 22.12.2005
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Aber wenns so viel Spass macht!
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17.05.2010 15:33 |
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