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Rygar
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Montegue auf Warseer (sehr verlässlicher Zwerg von Bugman's):
"Information from local rep -
1) 4 Pages of rules, downloadable.
2) War Scrolls - each individual unit box comes with it's own rules, as rumored previously.
3) Rules released on July 4th, including rules for old units and models.
4) Base shape and size are completely irrelevant. Base your models how you like, measure from model to model. No movement trays necessary.
5) No more rule books or army books.
6) Unbound sounds like a thing. "You can play with your favorite miniatures, you don't have to be tied down to one army"
7) No points. (yep, no points). Speculation is that you agree how many of each unit type you and your opponent will use (So, an HQ, 2 troops, two fast attack. That's language used in the thread. Don't know if it's his or the rep's, so salt).
You can begin play as small as you like, and it scales up infinitely."
Daklathen sagt dazu (ebenfalls Warseer):
"Got the below from the Oakland area rep, below the ellipse is a summation:
This is pre order week for the Age of Sigmar.. Newest Version of Warhammer!!!!.
Out with the Old and In with the New...
Get a new hobbyist into the game with 1 miniature.. (their favorite box set)..
That simple.. War scrolls come in the boxes. The Rules are only 4 pages long and they are available from the web.(downloadable).. No more heavy rulebooks and army books. All a person would need is their miniatures war scroll.. Now you can get into the hobby and play a game with your favorite miniature or miniatures. If you already have an army. Start Playing as early as July 4th, when the rules and war scrolls are posted. Play games as small or as big as you want. There are no points.. Bases don't mean anything, modular trays don't mean anything. Measure from the tip end of the model.. Base your guys any way you would like too.
The Age of Sigmar allows you to get some one started with a minimum of $10-40 after that they just purchase miniatures as they want to increase their experience and as the game brings in new characters and armies. There will be new enemies, old enemies, new friends and old friends coming back. You can play with your favorite miniatures, you don't have to be tied down to one particular army. You may like other Units in other armies, well that;s okay..
Also, I took inventory for what you had on old fantasy print materials. I will have instructions on that this week for you. Let's get it...
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Bases are no longer need or rather don't care as measurements are from model to model not base to base.
Movement trays are still availiable, but are optional to use.
No more points costs per model.
Flexible army from 1 vs 1 model to apoc size games.
4 page pdf. Lots of different scenerios. No army books.
Tons of new models. New armies. All armies are playable
Warscrolls think of warmachine Stat cards in the new box sets. Older boxesets will be downloadable on Saturday.
Next week announcements will be lore. Old armies etc
Army building isn't points it's based on units. We say okies build an army that includes 2 hqs. 2 troop choices 3 fast attacks. Each player then chooses their models based on that army building...I think"
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29.06.2015 19:34 |
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Rygar
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Dabei seit: 09.10.2008
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K......die Box wirds nicht...den schmafu unterstütz ich nicht mehr^^
Mikhaila (Dakka, Indie-Händler) noch mal:
"So, just got off the phone with my GW rep. They are really going big on this one. I've been offered quite a few nice incentives to support the launch, and will be receiving free copies of the box, demo armies, credit on old product, posters, prizes, etc. Thursday I'll receive a full copy of the rules with i will take home and eat with ketchup and spend a day digesting. Nice incentives across the board for retailers that take a bunch of them, support the launch, (and are currently paying their bills, of course.)
Info I was told:
-It's not 9th edition WFB, its a totally different game. There is no 9th edition coming. There is no huge rule book coming. Age of Sigmar is the main product.
-Most of the leaks on the internet are wrong. I'll be able to confirm this Thursday. In particular the bit about different formations is incorrect.
-The 96 page book is a hobby book, painting, history, how to play examples etc. The 4 pages of rules is indeed the rules. Laminated.
-Each unit in the game has a War Scroll that has the rules specific to that unit. So rules for each artillery piece will be on that unit's scroll, each monster will have a scroll, etc.
-The 4 pages of rules and all War Scrolls will be free and online July 4th at midnight. This will be a living document.
lets say that again, since some of the words like "free" may seem surprising to some folks c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif
-The 4 pages of rules and all War Scrolls will be free and online July 4th at midnight. This will be a living document[u]
-Cost is 125.00 in the US
-There may be additional books in the near future, hobbyist/collectors items. Not at all needed for the game, and may not even have the rules in the them. Age of Sigmar: The Big Book of pictures and how to paint....etc. There is no HC big rulebook like we had in WFB, no 3 rule books in a slipcover like in 40k. Just the Age of Sigmar box. And the rules for that box are online and free along with rules for all the old models in your army.
-Supposedly doesn't matter how things are based.
-Scales well from skirmish to large battles. Leave your models ranked and on bases if you like.
Looking forward to reading it all on Thursday."
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Starckbert 
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I find des alles zusammen ist schon ein harter Schlag.
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29.06.2015 21:11 |
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cosmic
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Ob sie 40k dann wohl auch noch entsprechend "modernisieren"?
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29.06.2015 21:30 |
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Starckbert
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Hab ich mich auch schon gefragt. Aber 40K läuft doch noch ganz gut, glaube ich. Oder?
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29.06.2015 21:32 |
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kelsho
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Dabei seit: 26.05.2010
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Ist dann wohl einfach ein neues System. Und läuft wohl eher nach Schema Sammelkartenspiel ab. Living rulebook gibt zumindest ne bessere Möglichkeit zu Balancen.
Ob GW das dafür nutzt steht natürlich auf ne anderen Blatt...
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Adrian
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Original von Kurl Veranek
Also ich nehm sie 1 mal fix vielleicht auch 2 mal |
#2!
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29.06.2015 22:14 |
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Brazork
Azhag!!!11einseinself
Dabei seit: 18.05.2005
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Original von obaobaboss
Edit: Keine Punkte... puh, daran habe ich zu kauen... wie zum Teufel wird das denn funktionieren? |
als Kind hab ich das gespielt - jetzt ist's mir wieder eingefallen: Playmobil, später auch Lego, das war's! Jeder konnte an Figuren aufstellen, worauf er gerade Lust hatte. Und gewonnen hat am Ende immer der große Bruder 
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29.06.2015 22:58 |
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the_shining
Der pr0 | Scribus Grimmentaalae
Dabei seit: 06.10.2006
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Lawl.
Früher war alles besser 
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Vompi
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Kann mir nicht helfen, finde das klingt ganz stark nach Rotz.
Stell mir das so vor:
gibt die Karten z.B. für Fußsoldaten da ist es dann egal wie der aussieht (Ork, Elfe, Space Marine,...) und dann hast eventuell ein paar Skills und auf die würfelst dann.
Vielleicht brauchst auch so spezial Attackenwürfel wie bei Hero-Quest.
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30.06.2015 09:17 |
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Rygar
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Tjo....age of Sigmar ist für mich tot.....es gibt sogar eine Tabelle für Gelände. DAS war natürlich die bedeutendste Regel, die man auf 4 Seiten implementieren musste....
Einmal Gerüchte im Post und im Anhang erste Regelabknipsereien.
Mfg Xi
Ein Nutzer, der unerkannt werden will, auf TWF (rumor):
"I have touched the promo set. I have seen it. It is real. Here's what I know.
- you do not need to re-base your armies. Bases have one function only; to make your model stand up. All measurement is done from the model itself. A wing, a horn, the very tip of a sword sticking out...doesn't matter. If you want to re-base your army, stick your models on tiny weights so you can group them up as tightly as possible. Why? Because each model now fights against any model in a 360 degree arc that is up to 3" away.
- army books are gone but the new rules are free. And not just the rules but the rules for EVERY FANTASY MODEL GW CURRENTLY SELLS. So you're going to want to buy a printer because each unit comes with it's own card. The old stats are gone and have now been replaced with the cards. Whether a Human swings at a Dragon, a Steam Tank, or a Zombie, he hits on a 4+. Zombies however are easy to hit so on the Zombie card they might have a rule that anything swinging at them gets +1 to hit so the Human would then hit on a 3+. However when the Human swings on a Chaos Warrior, he may hit on a 4+ but because of their armor, he may be -1 to wound them. Every unit has its own cards (I now understand why this is a low model count game). You can now field anything from any army. If you want an army to consist of warp lightning cannons led by a Wood Elf on a dragon, knock yourself out. But the minimum unit size is whatever was sold in the box. Witch Elves are sold in boxes of 10 so that is their minimum unit size. Only 1 Screaming Bell comes in a box so minimum unit size is 1. There are no maximum unit sizes. Weapon specifications also come on the cards. Elvish archers have a bow, it shoots 24" and always hits on a 4+ for example. Orcs have Choppas that give +1 to wound on the charge. It's all on the cards themselves which is why the rules pack is so small.
- Brettonians and Beastmen still exist. There are cards for EVERY model.
- Whatever your units used to do, it has all changed. It might be the same. But it probably isn't.
- Wizards have cards just like everyone else. But they list the spells they can cast. So magic does exist. A Goblin Shaman casts different spells than a Necromancer.
- This game cannot be used for tournament play. When Player A achieves one of a handful of victory objectives (like killing Player B's General), Player B then gets a "hail mary" shot where they can specify a particular condition they have to meet and if they do it, they win. For example, Player A kills Player B's General. Player B picks the option to kill player A's General within a single turn. If he does it, Player B wins. If not, Player A wins. It's like adding weights to the winner to make his actual winning more difficult.
And then we run into the real problems. I am going to guess that the geniuses at GW did not bother to playtest the game because I saw no rules for fielding armies. Just show up, put down some models.
"I brought 39 Skaven Slaves led by an Ogre. What did you bring?"
"I brought 40 Star Dragons."
WTF?! There is no points system? Like...none?!?!?! Just throw some **** on the table and start rolling dice?! Are you freaking kidding me??????? Ok, I get that you can now buy a box of anything and you can play. They figured out a way to beat the high entrance cost of the game. But...words fail me at the stupidity of the game. In its current release form, it is completely unplayable. In absolutely no way do I see how this could be even fun as it is. Without some kind of balance, there is no game. Now the rules are free and in theory they could update them at any time with point costs. And if that happens instantaneously, great! But IMHO the folks at GW needed to get it right and in the beginning or there will just be an exodus of players. If they fix this 3 months from now, people will have found a new game they like and not bother with the train wreck this looks to be. I would guess they have 30 days to fix it or their fantasy product is done.
#8theditionforever"
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Kurl Veranek
Komet alda
Dabei seit: 07.11.2006
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Armeen: Füße auf Steinen
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ich bleibe mal ganz ungestresst.
Entweder es kommt noch ein größeres besseres Regelsystem und das sind wirklich nur die Baby Regeln für ein Skirmish system.
Oder niemand spielt AoS und die Community macht Warhammer zu einem besseren Spiel als GW es je könnte.
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30.06.2015 10:07 |
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Stormgarde
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Dabei seit: 22.12.2005
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Hab zZ genug um die Ohren um mich nun da aufzuregen
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30.06.2015 11:00 |
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kelsho
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Das bestehende Fantasy-System wird doch nicht eingestampft oder? AoS is einfach nur ein neues System...
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30.06.2015 11:06 |
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Brazork
Azhag!!!11einseinself
Dabei seit: 18.05.2005
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Kommt ganz drauf an, wie du "eingestampft" verstehst.
- Immerhin sind die ganzen Armeebücher und Regelbüchern bei GW aus den Verkaufsregalen genommen worden.
- Zudem gehe ich davon aus, dass die Modelle (wenn nicht jetzt, dann über kurz oder lang) nicht mehr produziert werden.
Diese beiden Argumente führen dazu, dass Neu-Einsteigern oder System-Wechslern der Start in das Warhammer Fantasy erheblich erschwert wird. Oder glaubst du, du würdest dir das System näher ansehen, falls du ebendiese zwei Fakten kennst?
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Das bestehende Fantasy-System wird doch nicht eingestampft oder? AoS is einfach nur ein neues System... |
zweiteres glaube ich schon. Nur für ersteres gilt eben leider obiges
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Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert, zum letzten Mal von Brazork: 30.06.2015 11:21.
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30.06.2015 11:11 |
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cosmic
Action-Hias 3000
Dabei seit: 18.05.2005
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Ach was, die werden sich das schon überlegt haben. Die Idee mit den fixen Einheiten find ich nett - klingt ja als ob alle gleich gut sein sollen.
Sind zB 20 Halblinge gleich stark wie ein Drache. Für Turniere werden halt nicht alle Einheiten oder Kombinationen zugelassen.
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