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obaobaboss 
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es war wirklich die bemalung, sehen eigentlich doch recht gut aus
und ein spezieller noch
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Thorgrim
ABVERKAUF!!!!
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Findest? Na ich weis nicht umhauen tun die mich nicht 
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Und Fairness hab ich sowieso noch nie gemocht...
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04.03.2008 21:20 |
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Yersinia pestis
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auf jeden fall sind sie besser als die alten aus Zinn.
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the_shining
Der pr0 | Scribus Grimmentaalae
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Herkunft: Hall/Wien/Berlin
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Original von Yersinia pestis
auf jeden fall sind sie besser als die alten aus Zinn. |
find ich gar nicht. die neuen gefallen mir überhaupt nicht
viel zu klobig und viel zu reptilisch...
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Papa Martin
Familienoberhaupt
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Armeen: Wilde Horde TM, Die Wilde Elfenhorde TM
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Die sehn aus wie mutierte Salamander. Also bis jetzt find ich fast alle neuen Modelle ziemlich schwach, vor allem die Dämonetten
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05.03.2008 08:47 |
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Grom
Prophet des Ramboyotl
Dabei seit: 05.01.2006
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Juhuuuu die Echsenmenschen bekommen eine leichte Kavallerie! :-)
Naja, das Chaos besteht ja aus lauter Mutanten, warum soll der Hintergrund nicht Salamander beinhalten?
Aber trotzdem: sehen einfach nicht gut aus, die dinger. Alles Reptilhafte, ist zu sauber fürs Chaos - Das Miniaturendesign ist ein gewagter Schritt, aber für mich ein Griff ins Klo. Wenn man sich die neuen Modelle kauft, muss man eben mit der Bemalung aufpassen.
Ansonsten: ich sehe viele mieß modellierte gewäöhnliche Modelle und viele super Ideen bei großen und besonderen Modellen: Der Moloch ist ganz gut und dynamisch, der Nurgle Typ auf Thron ist auch toll - nur die normalen Dämonetten und Dämonen sind unspannend, plump oder haben viel zu grßße Comic-Waffen.
mfg Grom
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Thorgrim
ABVERKAUF!!!!
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Yersinia pestis
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für 177€!! bekommt man aber nicht gerade viel.
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Papa Martin
Familienoberhaupt
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Armeen: Wilde Horde TM, Die Wilde Elfenhorde TM
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Laut GW kostet das Teil in England 160GBP, was im Moment über 200€ wären.
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Kaisavokina
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Vlad
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Themenstarter 
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Und hässlich noch dazu das meiste...
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Yersinia pestis
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Mal die neuen Gerüchte zusammengefasst:
so wie es ausschaut werden die echt hässlich 
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Daemon Lores of Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch
- Different from the ones in the other two chaos books.
- Almost certainly only useable by characters from this book.
Daemon Lore of Tzeentch
- Supposedly only 6 spells
#1: Flickering Fire of Tzeentch: D6+1 hits, Strength D6+1, 18" range, 4+
#2: Boon of Tzeentch: Gain d3+1 Power dice only the caster can use. 3+
#3: Glean Magic: Cast any enemy spell (other than one that creates new models, such as certain Undead spells) as a Bound spell with a power level equal to its basic casting level. 7+
#4: Gift of Chaos: Each enemy unit within 12", including units in combat, take D6 S6 hits. 9+
#5: Bolt of Change: D6 hits, Strength D6+4, 18" range, 12+
#6: Tzeentch Firestorm: Target unit takes 2D6 S5 hits, every 3 wounds caused creates a Horror. New unit is worth 50 VPs and placed within 3" of the target unit. 24" range, 13+
Daemon Lore of Slaanesh
#1 Acquiescence: cast on a 5+, 18” range. Enemy unit must test for Stupidity each turn for the rest of the game
#2 Caphonic Caress: Cast on a 7+, all enemy units within 2D6 (including ones in combat) take D6 Str3 attacks, no armour saves.
#3 Succour of chaos: Cast on 7+. Cast on any friendly unit within 18” in combat. Gives the unit ASF and reroll hits
#4 Slicing Shards of Slaanesh: Cast on 7+. Magic Missile, range 24”. Deals D6 S5 hits. Target must then take a Ld test. If they pass the spell ends, if failed they take another D6 Strength 5 hits. Continues until unit passes a Ld test.
#5 Pavan of Slaanesh: Cast on 8+. Target single enemy model within 24”, LOS needed. Must pass a Ld test or take D6 wounds, no armour saves.
#6 Phantasmagoria: 10+ all enemy units on the battlefield must roll an extra D6 when rolling Ld tests of any kind, discarding the lowest dice. Lasts until the start of the casters next magic phase
Daemon Lore of Nurgle
#1: Miasma of Pestilence: 3+ to cast. All units in base to base with the caster will have their weapon skill, Strength, Toughness, Initiative and Attacks reduced to 1.
#2: Stream of Corruption: 6+ to cast. Breath weapon, any model hit must take a toughness test or die.
#3: Pit of Slime: cast on 7+. 24” range, target must pass Strength test or it may not move or shoot, lasts until Daemon players next magic phase
#4: Rancid Visitation: Cast on 8+. Magic missile, range 24” D6 Strength 5 hits, target must pass Toughness test or takes D6 more hits, continues until test is passed.
#5: Shrivelling pox: Cast on 9+. Pick single enemy model within 24”, LoS required. Target must pass Toughness test or take D6 wounds, no armour saves
#6: Plague Wind: Cast on 13+. Single enemy unit within 18”. Enemy models must pass a Toughness test or suffer a wound with no armour saves. After panic tests, a nurgle base is created for every 3 wounds caused. Forming a new unit within 3” of the old unit, worth 50vp.
Magic Banners
- 3D6 S3 Magic missile- 25 points
- All wounds from poison attacks in the unit count as double for Combat Res- 25 pts Plaguebearer
- +D6 movement to first charge Bloodletter
- +D3 Combat res 50 pts BSB
- Power Lvl 5, all things in 12” take D6 S6 hits- 75 BSB
- enemy takes 3 Dice on break test, remove lowest
- Stubborn on first break test- 25 pts Demonettes and Seekers
- All Daemons within 12” are Stubborn- 125 BSB
- at the beginning of the game, choose a lore. All wizards casting from that lore suffer a -2 to their casting rolls. In addition all spells cast from the lore of light miscast on double 1,2 and 3's. 50 pts BSB
-Enemies may only hold as a charge reaction (they may neither flee voluntarily nor stand and shoot). 25 pts Demonettes and Seekers
Daemonic gifts
- 2 pages worth
- Dark Insanity- 2D6+2 attacks- 50 points
- Many armed Horror- +2 attacks
- No armour save, D6 wounds per wound- 70
- +3 armour save and makes all weapons in combat non magical- 50
- Strength 10
- Spell breaker (dispel scroll)
- Tzeentch will (+1 PD)
- Gives a mage all the spells from a single lore in the BRB- 25
- fly
Lords
- Greater daemons are supposedly more modifiable than currently, more resembling how they were in 5th edition. It is possible that the basic ones are weaker than currently, to make them more useable in smaller battles (i.e. at or just above 2k), but that they can be significantly improved, similar to the new Vampire Lord can be.
- It is probably not possible to buy outright stat boosts (+1 WS, S, etc.), if previous army books are anything to go by.
- Greater Daemons stat line is rumoured to have 5 wounds across the board, with a 5+ Ward.
- Rumours that Greater Daemons will go on bases four times as big as currently are nonsense. The models stay as they currently are.
Changer of Ways, Greater Daemon of Tzeentch
- Level 4 wizard
- Terror
- fly
- Knows all Tzeentchian spells
- M8 Ws6 Bs 4 S6 T6 W5 I5 A5 Ld 9
- Can take 100 pts of Daemonic gifts:
- Twin heads- the extra brain gives a +2 bonus to casting
- Tzeentch’s will- same as now
- Staff of change- If target takes a wound, toughness test or they die
- Spell destroyer- same as now
- Power Vortex- +1 Power dice to the pool
- Dark Magister- Ignore first Miscast
- Flames- Shooting attack. D6 S4 18” range
- Corona- Enemies in base contact take S3 hit in every magic phase
- Master of Sorcery (knows all spells from one Lore in the rulebook, or the Tzeentch lore)
Keeper of Secrets
- Level 2 wizard, may be upgraded up to level 4
- Mv10 Ws9 Bs0 S6 T6 W5 In10 At6 Ld9
- Always strikes first
-Armor piercing
-Soulthirster gives 1 wound back for every unsaved wound caused, can not take wounds above initial 5 100 pts
-Tormentor enemy character in base contact takes a Ld test or attacks his own unit, wounds count for resolution 50 pts
-Soulhunger Reroll failed WOUND rolls in the first round of combat 25 pts
-Siren once a battle target enemy unit must declare a charge on the model or flee as if it had failed panic 25 pts
-Allure of Slaanesh models must pass a Ld test to attack model in close combat 25 pts
-Enrapturing gaze models in base contact can only use their own Ld (point cost not known)
-Torment Blade any model wounded by the keeper must pass a Ld check or not attack this turn 5 pts (five points, no typo, a bargain)
Great Unclean One, Greater Daemon of Nurgle
- Level 1 wizard, may be upgraded up to level 4 for 120 points.
- Weapon skill 4, Attacks 4, wounds 10
-Mv6 Ws4 Bs S6 T6 W10 I A4 Ld8
- Terror
- Poisoned attacks
- can take flail of decay that allows no saves and each wound is doubled.
- Can take 100 pts of Daemonic gifts:
- Balesword (wounds automatically, each unsaved wound is multiplied to D6)
- Nurgling Infestation (At the start of any magic phase, roll a dice. On a 2-6 a new Nurgling base is created within 6”)
- Staff of Nurgle- casts rancid visitation, power lvl 3
- Trappings of Nurgle (4+ armour save and Regeneration)
- Noxious Vapours- Enemies in base always strike last
- Pestilent mucus- any successful wounds require the enemy to take a toughness test, if they fail they take a second wound.
- Bile- Strength 4 breath weapon
- hunger- Reroll failed wounds
- Slime trail- Enemy doesn’t get +1 (or +2) for Flanks or rears
Bloodthirster, Greater Daemon of Khorne
- Not frenzied(!)
- The Thirster: M8 WS10 BS0 S6 T6 W5 I9 A7 Ld9 Base 450 pts
- MR 2
- Daemonic gift that allows reroll hits and wounds.
- Axe of khorne makes him do D3 wounds.
- Can take 100 pts of Daemonic gifts:
- Awesome Strength (S10)
- Dark Insanity (2D6+2 attacks)
- Spellbreaker (Dispel Scroll-equivalent)
- Armour that ignores Magic weapons
- Killing blow
- +1 Strength and flaming
- Reroll to hit
- Dispel scroll
- very, very, heavy armour
- Collar of Khorne- Even better magic resistance
Daemon Prince
- The most customisable Lord-level character
- Can take 75 pts of Daemonic gifts, out of which a max of 50 pts can be gifts specific to the Greater Daemons of their patron god (if they have one)
- They also have their own list of daemonic gifts
- All, apart from Khornate ones, can be wizards up to level 2
- Wings are an optional gift, though base Movement has increased
- May take from BRB magic Lores
- can take from the following Daemon abilities
-Armour that negates magic weapons
-Killing blow
-+1 S and flaming
-Re-roll to hit
-Dispel Scroll
-Very, very heavy armour
-Even better magic resistance
Heroes
- Chariots are only available as a mount for Heralds (apart from Nurgle who only get the Palanquin)
- There are no Undivided Heralds
Herald of Nurgle
- Poisoned attacks
- Mv4 Ws5 Bs0 S5 T5 W2 In3 At3 Ld8
- May ride a Palanquin of Nurgle (6 attacks at Ws3 T3 and Strength 3)
- The only Herald with no chariot option
- Locus of Nurgle (regen, can be a lvl1 wizard)
- Grants the Regeneration special rule to Plaguebearer units he joins
- Staff of Nurgle- power Lvl 3, casts rancid visitation
- Noxious Vapours- Enemy always strikes last
- Nurgles rot- All models in base to base rolls a dice in every magic phase. On a 6 they die.
- Mucus- If enemy is wounded they must take a Toughness test, if they fail it they take another wound.
- Bile- Strength 4 Breath weapon
- Soul Hunger- reroll failed hits
- Slime trail- Enemy doesn’t get the +1 (or +2) for attacking in the flank or rear
Herald of Khorne
- May ride a Juggernaut of Khorne or a chariot pulled by a Juggernaut. 4 wounds , 3+ save with S5 T5 A3 (for the single Jugg)
- 115 pts
- M5 WS7 BS0 S6 T4 W2 I6 A3 Ld8
- Daemonic, MR 1, Hatred, KB, Locus of Khorne (hatred)
- Grants the Hatred special rule to Bloodletter units he joins
- Not frenzied
-ether blade
- obsidian armour
- daemonic robes
- firestorm blade
- soul hunger
- armour of Khorne
Herald of Slaanesh
- May ride a Steed of Slaanesh or a chariot pulled by Mounts of Slaanesh (mv 10 S5)
- Mv6 Ws7 Bs0 S4 T3 W2 In7 At4 Ld8
- cheapest of the heralds
- Armour Piercing’
- can be upgraded to lvl 1 wizard
- Locus of Slaanesh (ASF, can be a wizard)
- Grants the Always Strikes First special rule to Daemonette units he/she/it joins.
- Etherblade
- many armed monstrosity- +2 attacks
- Allure of Slaanesh- must make a Ld test to strike the herald. If they fail they cannot attack at all.
- Daemonic Robes
- Enrapturing gaze- Models in Base contact cannot use another models Ld
- Siren Song
- Soporific musk
- Torment blade- if enemy suffers a wound take a Ld test. If they fail they cannot strike this phase
Herald of Tzeentch
- May ride a Disk of Tzeentch (+20 points) or a chariot pulled by Screamers (fly, S4)
- Disc is Ws3, Str 3
- Mv4 ws3 bs4 S3 T3 W2 In4 At2 ld8
- Is a lvl 2 wizard
- Locus of Tzeentch (4+ ward save)
- Grants Horror units he joins a 4+ aura save instead of the normal 5+ aura save
-staff of change-
- power vortex- extra power dice to pool
- flames of tzeentch- shooting attack. d6 shots, strength 4, range 18
- daemonic robes - cant be wounded on anything better than 3+
- corona- Enemies in base contact take S3 hit in every magic phase
- Master of Sorcery (knows all spells from one Lore in the rulebook or the Tzeentch lore)
- spell breaker- dispel scroll/ only person i saw that could take regular scroll
- winged horror - fly
Mounts
- Juggernauts, Steeds of Slaanesh, Disks of Tzeentch and Palanquins of Nurgle all have *1* wound only, so count as cavalry mounts and cannot be killed separately.
- Statwise they also get weaker (Disks have one S3 attack, for example)
- Steeds of Slaanesh are essentially equivalent to the mounts of Mounted Daemonettes, NOT the Steeds that can be ridden by Chaos Mortal characters
Core
- Units do not get the Leadership boost they got in the Daemonic Legion list. Indeed, lesser Daemons are all Leadership 7 (apart from Furies)
- There is one unit type per god (plus Furies)
- All core models are 12 points (all 5 units)
Bloodletters of Khorne
- New plastic models
- Bloodletter: M5 WS5 BS0 S5 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7 Base 12 pts.
- Start with MR1 and Killing Blow. Can get Hatred from a Herald of Khorne
- NOT Frenzied
- Movement 5
- Full command options
- Banners:
- Skull Totem: Cant be march Blocked
- Icon of Endless Despair: +D6” to the first charge
Daemonettes of Slaanesh
- New plastic models
- Worse stats, but cheaper and faster
- M6 WS5 BS0 S3 T3 W1 I5 A2 LD7
- Armour Piercing
- Full command options
- gain ASF with Herald
- can purchase magic banners, 2 options, both at 25 points:
-Enemies may only hold as a charge reaction (they may neither flee voluntarily nor stand and shoot).
-Stubborn on first break test.
Plaguebearers of Nurgle
- New metal command models, possibly a plastic set at some later date
- Poisoned attacks. Can get Regeneration from a Herald of Nurgle.
- Mv 4 Ws3 bs0 S4 T4 W1 In3 At1 Ld7
- Full command options
-Unit banners:
- Seeping decay: reroll wounds
- Eternal Virulence: every wound caused by poison counts as 2 combat res.
Horrors of Tzeentch
- New metal command models, possibly a plastic set at some later date
- M4 WS3 BS0 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 LD7 5+WS
-Flaming Attacks
- Unit Option: +60pts Changeling
- Do not cast Bound spells, instead the unit counts as a wizard with magic levels depending on the number of Horrors in the unit (1-5: lvl 0, 6-15: lvl 1, 16-25: lvl 2, etc).
- If the Horror unit miscasts, it takes D6 wounds
-5 modes or less = 0 Lv Wizard
6-15 models = 1st level Wizard w/Flickering Light of Tz spell
16-25 models = 2nd Lv Wizard w/ Gift of Chaos spell
26-35 models = 3rd Lv Wizard w/ Bolt of Change spell
36+ models = 4th Lv Wizard w/ Tz Firestorm spell
- Improved WS, but lower Ld
- All attacks are flaming
- Noticeably cheaper
- Full command options
- Banners:
- banner of change: Enemies in base contact take 3D6 S3 hits
- banner of sorcery: +1 to casting
Chaos Furies
- Do not count towards minimum number of Core
- Flying
- WS3, Strength 4, Leadership 2, attacks 1
Special
- There is one unit type per god
Nurglings
- Almost certainly no longer 0-1
- Mv4 Ws3 Bs0 S3 T3 W3 In3 At3 Ld6
- Scouts
- skirmish
- Poisoned attacks
- Unit size 3-12
Flesh Hounds of Khorne
- New metal models
- Flesh hound M8 WS5 BS0 S5 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld7 35 pts.
- Not frenzied
- MR 3
- Lower Leadership
- can get Killing blow
- More than twice as expensive as before
Screamers of Tzeentch
- Strength3, T3, 1 wound
- Strength of slashing attacks up to 5, may make slashing attacks to all units they move over, not just one
- Slightly cheaper
Seekers of Slaanesh
- Equivalent to Mounted Daemonettes (i.e. the ones on cavalry bases), NOT Pleasureseekers (the daemonettes on Steeds of Slaanesh from the Storm of Chaos list)
- Full command options
- Mv10, S3, WS5 I5 riders 2A, armor piercing for both rider and mount
- 24 points each, command is 30 points total (so 6-12-12)
- can purchase magic banners, 2 options, both at 25 points:
-Enemies may only hold as a charge reaction (they may neither flee voluntarily nor stand and shoot).
-Stubborn on first break test.
Rare
- There is one unit type per god
Bloodcrushers of Khorne (Bloodletters riding Juggernauts)
- New metal models
Exaulted Bloodlettter: M5 WS5 BS0 S6 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld7 Base 70 pts
Exaulted Bloodreaper: M5 WS5 BS0 S6 T4 W2 I4 A3 Ld7 +20 pts
Juggernaut M7 WS5 BS0 S5 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld7
- Improved armour save (Juggers add +3 to the rider's armour save)
- Bloodcrushers are cavalry mounts and are Brass Behemoths 2+ scaly skin save.
- Unit size 1-8?
- MR 1
- Full command options
- Banners:
- Skull Totem: Cant be march Blocked
- Icon of Endless Despair: +D6” to the first charge
Beasts of Nurgle
- New metal models
- The models don't have riders
- Beasts have D6+2 poisoned attacks
- Mv6 Ws4 Bs0 S4 T5 W4 In2 AtD6+2 Ld7
- Regeneration and Slime Trail (opponents get no CR bonus for attacking them in the side or rear)
- 100 pts per model
- Unit size 1+
Fiends of Slaanesh
- New models
- Models go on 40 mm square bases
- Almost identical to old Pleasureseekers
- Mv10 Ws4 bs0 S4 T4 W3 In6 At4 Ld7
- Special rule that forces enemy units breaking from combat with them roll an additional D6 for distance and discard the lowest
- Armour piercing
- Unit size 1+
Flamers of Tzeentch
- A separate unit, not longer hangers-on for a unit of Horrors
- Unit size 3-6
- Mv6 ws2 Bs4 S5 T4 W2 In 2 At2 Ld7
- Skirmish
- Flaming attacks
- Flamers shooting is D6 S4 shots per Flamer, 18" range
- Close combat attacks go up in Strength and are flaming
- Option for champion
Special characters
- Note that the special characters are the same in both the 40K and the Fantasy lists, though naturally their stats and exact abilities may differ somewhat.
- Original rumour that there were 12 special characters appears to have been wrong. Possibly the source meant "a dozen", meaning "a whole lot" rather than "exactly twelve".
- Another reason for the high number of special characters is probably to get more variation into god-specific lists, who would otherwise look pretty much identical
Fateweaver, the Oracle of Tzeentch (Greater Daemon of Tzeentch)
- Model has two heads
- Knows all Tzeentch spells and each head also knows 4 spells from any of the lores (in the rulebook?)
- Some sort of re-roll ability (???)
Kugath, the Plaguefather (Greater Daemon of Nurgle)
- Has two special rules: Blessing of Pus and Nurgling Infestation
Skarbrand, the Exiled One (Greater Daemon of Chaos Undivided)
- Does not fly
- Skarbrand M8 WS10 BS0 S6 T6 W5 I10 A7(
Ld9 655 pts. The additional attack is either from his being frenzied or from his special weapons.
- has Hatred, and ALL models (friend and foe alike) have Hatred!
- Otherwise very similar to a Bloodthirster statwise but without any Khornate gifts. Possibly he was exiled by Khorne and had his wings cut off.
- 40K version has a special rule called Burning Hatred
Tallyman Epidemius (Herald of Nurgle)
- Mounted on a Palanquin of Nurgle
- Poisoned attacks
- Gives a bonus to other Nurgle units depending on how many enemies he kills (sort of similar to Skrag, the Ogre special character)
The Masque (Herald of Slaanesh)
- Kicked out of Slaanesh's entourage for being able to out-dance his (her? its?)
god
- Mv10 Ws7 Bs0 S4 T3 W2 In7 At5 Ld8
- Armour piercing
- May not join units
- 3+ ward save
- Has a special rule in 40K called the Eternal Dance, which lets you move enemy units
- 3 human arms and a big claw arm. Wields a staff with a mask at either end and changes it's personality depending on who it chooses to be.
- Eternal Dance: At the start of the magic phase choose a dance to perform. They target a single enemy unit which may be in combat and have a 12” range.
- Dance of Dreaming: Target reduces Ld by D3, lasts until the end of the units player turn.
- Chanson of Caging: Target reduces its Mv by D3, lasts until the end of the units player turn.
Skulltaker (Herald of Khorne)
- Character-killer
- See below for pictures
- Must challenge if able to
- Has deadlier form of Killing Blow (on a 5+ to wound in challenges and works regardless of Unit Strength of the victim)
The Bluescribes (Herald of Tzeentch)
- 81 points
- Two Horrors riding a Disk of Tzeentch, on a mission to recover some lost artefact
- Adds a single power dice to the army pool for every spell the enemy casts.
- Each turn choose one of the 8 lores of magic and randomly select a spell from it. They will cast this spell as a bound spell, power lvl is its basic casting value.
The Changeling (Horror champion)
- Formless Horror: At the start of close combat, the Changeling may select any enemy model in base to base contact and swap WS/S/T/I/A with this model (essentially a built-in van Horstman's Speculum)
- NOT an upgrade each and every Horror unit can take. As with any other Special character you can take ONE of it.
Karanak, Hound of Vengeance (Flesh Hound champion)
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Fantasy bis zum Ende V.2
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Irre ich mich oder kann die Tzeentchlehre jetzt tatsächlich was?
#3: Glean Magic: Cast any enemy spell (other than one that creates new models, such as certain Undead spells) as a Bound spell with a power level equal to its basic casting level. 7+
Also auf die 7+ kann der dir jeden deiner Sprüche raushauen?
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#5: Bolt of Change: D6 hits, Strength D6+4, 18" range, 12+
Also mindestesn stärke 5 bis zu Stärke 10, , wenn man also bei der Stärke mindestens ne 3 würfelt ist das auch ein Streitwagenkiller
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Yersinia pestis
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Dabei seit: 05.05.2006
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12+ obr! also von daher kann man da mit Rollen recht gut entgegenwirken! Und du musst auch beachten dass er einen Tzeenthgeneral braucht, weil mit nem level 2 geht da NIX!
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Kaisavokina
Suder- & Verweigerungskais0r
Dabei seit: 18.05.2005
Beiträge: 7.020
Herkunft: Es war einmal....
Armeen: alles Verweigerungsarmeen
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Die neuen Dämonen werden wieder das Haus rocken..
Nehm jetzt einfach mal die hiererfolgte Regelzusammenfassung zum Anlass ein paar Gedanken zu den neuen Dämonen niederzuschreiben..
Was einem speziell hängen geblieben ist, nachdem man sich durch den Text geackert hat sind die starken Auswahlen in der Elite, vor allem aber in der Seltenen Auswahl.
Tut man sich in der Elitesektion noch leicht….
2* Bluthunde: Jo- gleich zu Beginn die wohl beste Einheit der Dämonen (Preis-Leistungsverh.)
*keine Raserei, dafür von Haus aus 2 KG 5, S Attacken mit Bewegung 8 (leichte Kav.)
* W 4, 2 LP und der däm. 5+ Rettungswurf machen sie ziemlich widerstandsfähig, die Magieresistenz von 3 macht sie auch gleich noch immun gegenüber Magie..
*Option aus Todestoß- bei sowielen Attacken (12 bei einem 6er Regi) eine wirkliche Bank- und ein Graus für den Gegner
1* berittene Dämonetten:
*schwächer aber auch billiger- 2 A Stärke 3 (Rüstungsbrechend) klingen jetzt wirklich nicht gut..
*ABER ein Schutzschirm von Gargs (oder eventuell die Bluthunde davor), das Banner rein, dass der Gegner nur Angriff annehmen kann und noch einen netten Herold mit Etherklinge und 4 Attacken (dazu später) und wir haben ein 20 Zoll Regiment, dass dem Gegner das Fürchten lehren wird…
Da sowohl die Nurgling-Bases als auch die Kreischer Mull sind- verliere ich über die kein Wort mehr..
..hat man aufgrund der 4 seht guten Auszahlen in der Seltenen die Qual der Wahl
Lest sie euch einfach mal durch sind alle sehr gut..
Pflicht sind natürlich die Flamers: ROTZ pur also verständlich dass man da nur 3- 6 nehmen kann.
6 W6 Stärke 4 Flammenschüsse sollten aber reichen- vor allem durch die BF von 4 und die sagenhaften (24 Zoll Reichweite: 18 + 6 Zoll bewegen). Natürlich Wurfwaffen.
Freu mich schon gegen Waldelfen..
Wer sich jetzt denkt- die sind dafür sicher ziemlich zerbrechlich- irrt gewaltig. 2 Attacken Stärke 5, Widerstand 4, 2 LP- die braucht man mit Fliegern, leichter Kav usw. gar nicht anzugreifen…
Die zweite Auswahl fällt mir echt schwer- würd mich im Moment aber für die Crusher entscheiden. Dann hat man auch mal Stärke 6 Attacken in der Armee…
Banner sind auch net schlecht- + W6 auf den Charge wird den Gegner das fürchten lehren (auch wenn man das Banner gar nicht hat- Muhahah)
Dann zum Kern:
2 * Gargs sind Pflicht- zählen aber verständlicherweise nicht zu den Pflichtauswahlen..
Die sind wiederum abhängig von den Chars..
Die wiederum davon wer aller Spruchbrecher nehmen kann..
Können das nur Tzeentchchars werdens bei mir wohl Dämonenprinz des Tzeentch (Spruchbrecher…Etherklinge oder +1 Stärke, Flammenattacken) und ein Tzeentchherold als AST werden (Banner mit den -2 auf Komplexitätswürfe einer zuvor ausgewählten Lehre für Zauberer ist wohl Pflicht)…
Dann noch ein Slanneshherold stufe 1 Zauberer
..und wohl ein Khorneherold
Kern wären dann
10 -12 Bloodletters
10 Horrors
10 Dämonetten
Die Magie des Gegners muss man aber unter Kontrolle haben..
5 Bannwürfel, nur eine Rolle dafür halt das Komplexitätenbanner sowie Magieresistenz bei Bluthunden (3) und Crusher (1)
Noch kurz durchgerechnet
Selten:
3 Crusher (210)
6 Flamer (ca. 210)
Elite:
5 Bluthunde (175)
5 Bluthunde (175)
6 berittene Dämonetten (144)
Kern:
8 Gargs (96)
8 Gargs: (96)
10 Dämonetten (96)
10 Bloodletters (96)
10 Horrors (96)
1394
Herold Tzeentch AST 200
Slannesh 150
Hhorne 150
Dämonenprinz 400
2294
Also zu teurer…
Hab mir dehalb überlegt den Prinz zu kicken und noch mal einen Herold rein..
Geht halst auf Kosten des MW 9, aber da es eh kein ploppen mehr gibt net ganz schlimm..
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